Timeline for Should I make a new proposal to try to merge other subsets?
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| Feb 10, 2011 at 17:25 | comment | added | Evan Plaice | @Ivo I would say yes but the issue (as is an issue with a lot of other SE proposals) is getting that group to come join a pre-beta proposal. Ie, that's no easy feat. I'm not saying this answer is the end-all solution to the problem, it's just a suggested angle that might work. Ie, this consolidates 6 proposals into two. Where the Motor Vehicle and Maintenance will most likely have a successful initial release, if it attracts the pro motorsports crowd (and the motorsports doesn't find a need for their own site) the motorsports proposal will die off. | |
| Feb 10, 2011 at 17:18 | comment | added | Ivo Flipse | Perhaps @Evan, but I think it would be better to take that decision when it's becoming problematic, not before the site even exists | |
| Feb 10, 2011 at 17:17 | comment | added | Ivo Flipse | But is the latter group large enough to warrant themselves a whole site? And is it even needed? I still think that with downvotes and moderation these two can perfectly coexist in one site... | |
| Feb 10, 2011 at 17:17 | comment | added | Evan Plaice | @Ivo (cont) Sure, it may be a good idea to lump them all together into one proposal to start (just to gain inertia) but I still see the motorsports part diverging into its own site at some point (for the same reason that SuperUser and ServerFault aren't lumped together into the same site). | |
| Feb 10, 2011 at 17:14 | comment | added | Evan Plaice | @Ivo Ok, so 'Joe the Mechanic' example wasn't very good. The point I'm trying to make is, this isn't a beginner/expert model. The two sites have distinct cultures with different drives/motivations. Sure, an every day mechanic/car guy may have a desire to test their car on a quarter mile but that doesn't put him in the same category as guys who get into a fireproof suit and do it for a living. | |
| Feb 10, 2011 at 2:22 | history | edited | Evan Plaice | CC BY-SA 2.5 |
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| Feb 10, 2011 at 1:16 | comment | added | Ivo Flipse | Not only that, if Joe Mechanic gives a bad, bad answer, you downvote him! If that happens a couple of times, Joe Mechanic wouldn't even dare answering questions he doesn't know a thing about. That's how the system is supposed to work. You can create a separate site, but if Joe Mechanic likes it, he can come over to yours and start answering anyway. So what would separation accomplish? | |
| Feb 10, 2011 at 0:02 | comment | added | Aaronaught | Evan, I don't think "Motor Vehicle Maintenance & Repair" implies just cars either - it includes all motorized vehicles. Yes, they are two different cultures, with (IMO) highly overlapping skill sets. I don't buy the virus analogy. You're right, having Joe Mechanic trying to give that advice would be bad, but Joe Mechanic isn't going to give that advice; he's not going to answer those questions. This seems to me to be something that's quite easy to draw tag lines, as opposed to site lines, around. | |
| Feb 9, 2011 at 23:22 | comment | added | Evan Plaice | @Theodor After thinking about your comment... I see your point. General maintenance requires tuning the engine too. Ie, it should be included in both proposals. I'll update the answer to reflect. | |
| Feb 9, 2011 at 23:21 | comment | added | Evan Plaice | @Aaronaught (cont) Having Joe Mechanic trying to give advice on tuning a 20,000 HP dragster engine because he once put a stage two turbo in his Honda Civic would be a bad mix. It's the equivalent of a SuperUser user asking how to fix their virus infected computer on StackOverflow. I think these topics should be split into two topics because they represent two different cultures of people who drive vehicles. | |
| Feb 9, 2011 at 23:13 | comment | added | Evan Plaice | @Aaronaught I disagree. You can be a expert professional mechanic who maintains nothing but stock vehicles (in fact most experts for maintenance will fall under this category). Plus, motorsports doesn't just apply to cars (see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorsport). To quote wikipedia directly "motorsports is the group of sports which primarily involve the use of motorized vehicles". That includes Snowmoblies, Motocross (not freestyle), Boat Racing, Air Racing, Drag Ragcing (NHRA) etc... I wouldn't lump the two categories together because they represent two completely different cultures. | |
| Feb 9, 2011 at 20:13 | comment | added | Aaronaught | That said, I think that what you've done here (Evan) is to basically carve out separate "expert" and "beginner" sites (the expert one being motor sports). I don't think that's a good idea. I think it will be more likely to succeed if you simply define one site, stick to expert-level questions in the definition phase, and simply permit beginner questions to be asked (which the hardcore racers will usually ignore). | |
| Feb 9, 2011 at 20:08 | comment | added | Aaronaught | @Theodor: As stated in the Area 51 FAQ: "Remember, the pro sites WILL attract the enthusiasts, but not the other way around!" It's fine if Joe Sixpack wants to ask a basic question about car ownership on either the Motor Sports or MVM sites; they'll probably be able to answer his question. But the definition of the site should only include topics of special interest to the experts. | |
| Feb 8, 2011 at 12:25 | comment | added | Theodor | @Evan - I agree that car racing fits under motor sport. But is car tuning really motor sport as such? I mean it could be but it does not have to be. With "owning a car" I mean that there is a lot that goes into owning a car besides tinkering with it. Its good that we have these discussions. =) | |
| Feb 8, 2011 at 11:08 | comment | added | Evan Plaice | @Theodor I guess... questions about racing a car would fit under motorsports since that's what motorsports is all about. I'm not sure what you mean by "questions related to owning a car". | |
| Feb 8, 2011 at 10:58 | comment | added | Theodor | @Evan - I see your point, but I still thinks this leaves out a lot of potentially interesting questions related to driving and owning a car etc. | |
| Feb 8, 2011 at 10:14 | history | answered | Evan Plaice | CC BY-SA 2.5 |