My reading of the question "Why has a proposal for Zend Framework been closed?" is that if there's a community demand for the site, then it's okay for a sub-topic to become it's own site.

What's not clear to me is how a "vote-to-close" based on a topic being a sub-topic of an existing SE is a duplicate of a site? Seems to me that's not a reason to close, and that there should only be pointers to existing tags within SE sites that might already cover the topic as needed.

More to the point, I don't agree that closing a proposal based on it being a sub-topic should ever be a reason to close a proposal. Meaning if there's enough people interested, then there's enough people interested, and that demand in my opinion means that SE would benefit from the new site.

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    @down-voter: While I value your opinion, without a meaningful comment on why you did, it's impossible for me to understand why you did so, and maybe even respond in a way that would be of use to you. Please comment, thanks!
    – blunders
    Apr 29 '12 at 3:57

To answer your questions:

the reason(s) why this rule did not apply Drupal, Wordpress, SharePoint, etc.

Drupal is a content-management system used for building websites. Wordpress is a blogging tool and CMS. Sharepoint is similar.

What all of these have in common is the fact that a lot of questions about them will be non-programming questions. How to set up an installation, how to get the tool to do X, etc. Configuration things that are not specifically programming issues.

Personally, I'd have found a way to smash all of these tools into one "webstuff" site. But that's not for me to decide. What matters is that a significant number of questions wouldn't be appropriate on SO.

If you can prove something similar about Appcelerator (you're going to need more than this: "questions on how to list, promote, etc. apps/models on the Appcelerator Marketplace"), then you can get an exemption. But until then, it's something that's served by SO.

why did two SO users voted to close this question

That's not a question; that's a Google request. It's a list question, and that's not appropriate on Stack Exchange anywhere. Every site should close those ASAP.

  • I've used/deployed Drupal, Wordpress, and Sharepoint -- and out of the box I ran across more overhead and complex during the installation than any other platform I've ever used, and I've used a lot; this is in part due to the fact it deploys to so many platforms, and the software itself runs on so many different platforms; meaning if that's one measure, in my opinion Appcelerator for better or worse has all three of those platforms beat hands down, and that's just for the base install.
    – blunders
    Apr 29 '12 at 16:46
  • RE: Might not be clear to others that the reference to "why did two SO users voted to close this question" was in response to this comment by me in another answer. I agree it's a list-of-question, and have deleted the question; might note though that my confusion came from both voters voting it "off-topic". Thanks for point of the real issue with in! (Also delete the comment referenced, since it's no longer of use to the discussion.)
    – blunders
    Apr 29 '12 at 16:47
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    @blunders: This isn't about which product is better. It's about whether there will be questions on non-programming aspects of Appcelerator. You need to demonstrate this. Apr 29 '12 at 16:58
  • +1 @Nicol Bolas: Agree, and I am already attempting to do so; I replaced the question you commented on the proposal with install/config/etc questions. Feel free to take a look again, and thanks for taking the time to look and comment in the first place! That said, it's hard with me only being able to post 5 questions to show the extent to such questions exist. Do you know how did Drupal, Wordpress, and Sharepoint dealt with documenting the volume of non-programming aspects their platforms? Again, thanks!
    – blunders
    Apr 29 '12 at 17:04
  • Also just sent out a tweet, @All:StackExchange requested questions focus on installs/configs for TiStudio, SDKs, Devices, ACS, etc. _Post Q's here: http://bitly.com/AppcMentor -- and added an announcement on the proposal too. (Just noting this as documentation of my attempt to respond to your feedback.) Thanks!
    – blunders
    Apr 29 '12 at 17:24

The nomenclature is a bit non-obvious. Area 51 proposals are closed as a "duplicate" if they are completely covered by an existing site. StackOverflow is about programming, so any site proposal that is about some specific type of programming is subsumed within the scope of StackOverflow and is therefore considered a "duplicate" of StackOverflow.

Philosophically, StackExchange does not believe in setting up new sites "just because a lot of people are interested in it". It also has to be the case that the existing sites are not serving the audience concerned. Otherwise Java and C# would have their own sites. The SE staff have follwed that philosophy consistently in their decisions to close particular proposals. (e.g. Perl, CodeIgniter etc).

Based on your description of the proposal, it sounds to me like your proposal is specifically for programmers, about a programming topic. So StackOverflow should be able to cover this topic. On that basis, I would agree that your proposal should be closed, sorry.

  • By the way, it wasn't me who down-voted your question. I will, however, be flagging your proposal for closure.
    – Verbeia
    Apr 29 '12 at 5:06
  • Please provide a link to an official statement from SE on the matter, and the reason(s) why this rule did not apply Drupal, Wordpress, SharePoint, etc. Thanks!
    – blunders
    Apr 29 '12 at 12:04
  • To my knowledge, questions on how to list, promote, etc. apps/models on the Appcelerator Marketplace would be off-topic on SO.
    – blunders
    Apr 29 '12 at 12:13
  • Also, questions about what business models would benefit from using Appcelerator's free Cloud Services would also to my knowledge not be ontopic on SO.
    – blunders
    Apr 29 '12 at 12:16
  • @blunders: "why did two SO users voted to close this question" Because it's not a question; it's a request for someone to Google stuff. If Appcelerator got it's own site, that question should still be closed. Apr 29 '12 at 16:17

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