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Would it be considered as good practice to create a new Area51 proposal to poll for interest in reopening a StackExchange site that was closed during the beta?

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    This is a question for discussion.area51.stackexchange.com; be sure to use the "area51-meta" tag, over there. – kiamlaluno Mar 5 '12 at 18:44
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    You probably shouldn't bother gathering interest unless you can dramatically increase participation. You cite Poker as a current beta. You might want to take a look at their stats -- 0.3 questions per day, with a recommended minimum of five? I doubt that Poker is going to survive beta either. – Charles Mar 5 '12 at 18:45
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    @kiamlaluno: Indeed, I thought there was only per proposal discussions. – Stéphane Gimenez Mar 5 '12 at 18:51
  • A facebook.SO like filter site would be nice. – CodesInChaos Mar 5 '12 at 22:31
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    There is nothing "nice" at all that I've seen about Facebook.SO. – Cody Gray Mar 6 '12 at 3:44
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    Just out of curiousity, which site do you have in mind? – THelper Mar 6 '12 at 9:03
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    @THelper: Since I really want an answer to this question, I will not provide the irrelevant context. (If you're really interested, find it by yourself.) – Stéphane Gimenez Mar 6 '12 at 20:02
  • @RobertCartaino: It was my mistake in the first time. Now the irrelevant parts have been merged, the question here is sterile again. It could has well be deleted or closed as non-constructive, we will not obtain anything other than a non-answer. Sorry for the mess. – Stéphane Gimenez Mar 9 '12 at 11:43
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If Go is a game, then why can't you make the Board Games site "a place that Go experts would gather"? The first step to achieving that status would be to start "posting very 'technical' Go questions".

This is not an unsolvable chicken-and-egg problem. You're the chicken, so all you have to do is lay a couple of golden eggs. And maybe tell your friends. Build that site the same way that you'd build the brand new beta site that you envision.

That seems like a better long-term strategy than creating your own Go-specific site that is all but doomed to failure, given historical evidence and by your own admission.

To me, this is a special case of the more general problem of creating a bunch of overly-specific Q&A sites, rather than just building up the community around the more general site. I don't understand why people resist turning the existing general site into a thriving community of experts on their niche interest. The site(s) can handle the traffic, and the tags make it easy to subdivide the content. You don't need a site specific to a particular board game, or computer architecture, or mobile phone platform, et cetera.

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    The main purpose of the private-beta is to build a main page such that experts and enthusiast would feel at home when going on this site for the first time. (That's what is explained to you when you subscribe for a private beta). There is NO WAY to make Boards and Games feels like home to Go players, even if two or three questions among the top ones are about Go. There was like 50 Go questions migrated at once to Boards and Cards Games, when the Go site closed: results: 0 new go players on B&G. It's not like one or two more questions can change something. – Stéphane Gimenez Mar 5 '12 at 19:00
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    @Stéphane: But tag filters can. A new community is going to have 0 questions. I don't see how that's better. – Cody Gray Mar 5 '12 at 19:01
  • Cody: I guess you're not proposing to turn the filter flags on for newcomers? – Stéphane Gimenez Mar 5 '12 at 20:53
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    I see no chance in hell to convince go players to use boardgames.SE without at least a facebook.SO like filter page. – CodesInChaos Mar 5 '12 at 22:38
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    The main issue leading to the creation of those overly specific sites is that members of those community don't feel like they are part of their supposed parent community. I identify as programmer first, and only secondary with my favorite language, so I feel immediately at home on SO. On the other hand I have no general interest in board games, I like go, and that's about it. I only feel a connection to go players, and perhaps players of a few other competitive boardgames like chess or shogi. – CodesInChaos Mar 5 '12 at 23:03
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    @Code: That's just weird to me, I can't imagine. I see it the same way as a programming language or a computing platform or anything else. You'd have to filter out all the things that are uninteresting to you of course, but that's what tags already provide for. I guess I don't play go, so I have a hard time imagining. – Cody Gray Mar 5 '12 at 23:54
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    @CodeInChaos then I see no chance in hell for the go players to have a successful SE site : ) – o0'. Mar 11 '12 at 19:27
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Any site that was closed during beta did so either because it didn't get enough traffic or because the site was misconceived in some way.

Unless you have a good plan for remedying what ailed it, trying to reopen it will at best lead to the same result. Now that the question requirements in the definition phase have been increased, it will be harder to get a previously failed site to that beta phase.

  • Well, at the time it was closed, the result was good enough for me. I don't expect much people rallying again, but polling will not hurt anyone. And since it's not a standard practice, I prefer to ask beforehand. – Stéphane Gimenez Mar 6 '12 at 19:59
  • @Stéphane: Good enough for you does not mean good enough for SE. SE doesn't exist to host anything. The point of beta is to pinpoint and eliminate sites that won't survive past the first year of operation. If a site can't survive beta, it isn't going to survive release any better. There's just no point in investing the time and effort in making the site real (new image assets, dedicated support, etc). – Nicol Bolas Mar 9 '12 at 22:16
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I think it would be better to go through the Area 51 process again for the topic. Instead of trying to revive a dead community its easier and hopefully more effective to start over. Many business ventures try and fail 2 or 3 times before finding the right mix for success.

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