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Proposal: Noahide Community

There are hundreds of Noahide questions on Judaism.SE

What makes this proposal worthy of its own site?

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    There is also a post on Judaism.Meta, although it hasn't garnered a response yet
    – xyldke
    Dec 13, 2023 at 14:35
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    You've received two answers that seem to answer your question but you've accepted neither. Is there a clarification you could provide to what you're looking for that you didn't see in those answers?
    – Paul
    Jan 25 at 4:01
  • @Paul - maybe you're unfamiliar, but "accepting" an answer is not required on the SE network
    – warren
    Feb 1 at 13:42
  • @warren I asked for clarification on what you're looking for, which was presumably why you asked the question. if an answer was helpful you should up vote it and if it was the answer that solved the issue, you should check it off as such. Simple as that. Again, you asked the question. If the answers given aren't what you're looking for, what are they lacking?
    – Paul
    Feb 2 at 16:05
  • @Paul - I am quite aware of what the "accept" check mark means: it is not a required part of using any SE network site (hasn't ever been since I first joined SO 15+ years ago). And even while it's potentially useful on the main SE sites, it's far less useful on any of the meta sites ... especially this one which is intended to be more discussiony.
    – warren
    Feb 9 at 19:12

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That's a good question!

The key differentiator between the existing Judaism.SE site (aka Mi Yodeya), and my proposed Noahide.SE is the target audience.

Mi Yodeya has a primarily (though not exclusively) Jewish audience, and revolves around Jewish law and tradition. Yes, they do have tags for , , and , but these constitute only about 1% of the site's questions. Whereas discussion of the Noahide Laws and the Noahide movement would be the whole point of Noahide.SE.

As @PaulWalker succinctly put it, Noahides are not Jews. We don't have the same covenantal obligations (e.g., Shabbat or Kashrut laws). Moreover, we don't have the same cultural backgrounds: Few Noahides grew up attending Hebrew school, eating cholent or gefilte fish, celebrating Passover, or having relatives who were killed in the Shoah. Most are former Christians. Thus, discussions will reflect very different personal experiences.

In summary, the Noahide.SE proposal seeks to address the unique needs and interests of a distinct religious community.

Naturally, there will be some overlap in topics, especially when it comes to interactions between Jews and Noahides. But the cardinal rule of Noahide.SE will be that all questions must somehow be relevant to Noahides. Otherwise, questions about Jewish-specific mitzvot, Jewish traditions, or Jewish history will be considered off-topic. If you want to learn about Judaism, you know where to look.

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  • Can we add those tags you mentioned to the proposal, as well as "noahide" so that we turn up in the search? I tried to add "noahide" as a tag to a question here but my reputation isn't high enough to do so yet.
    – Paul
    Dec 15, 2023 at 3:27
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    @PaulWalker: How do you add a tag to a proposal? Dec 15, 2023 at 6:44
  • When I created a question, there was a section to add tags. It automatically added the "culture" tag. I tried to add "noahide" and it said my reputation wasn't high enough to create a tag. Same thing is visible when editing a question. I assume there's something similar when creating a proposal because of the default "culture" tag. And it appears that just typing the tag in the tags line will create a new tag, if it doesn't already exist. At least, that's what it looks like to me.
    – Paul
    Dec 16, 2023 at 13:56
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    You can't create tags because they apply only to proposals, and it is pointless to tag ehr entire proposal as being about its own subject matter. Tags cannot be applied to questions in proposals because there should not be enough of them to need it.
    – Nij
    Dec 20, 2023 at 7:46
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Great question, Warren. The name 'Mi Yodeya' is the name for the community Judaism.SE. Simply put, Noahides are not Jews. Even in the physical world, it's a completely different community. They're not a subset of Judaism, messianic Jews, or even 'wannabe Jews.'

The Judaism.StackExchange community description says they are, '... a question and answer site for those who base their lives on Jewish law and tradition and anyone interested in learning more.'

This may seem to cover Noahides, but it doesn't. Well, it could include Noahides who live in Israel. But it concerns people who identify with Judaism. Whether or not questions in that community talk about Noahides or the Noahide Laws, the community focus is Jewish Law.

At some future point, Judaism teaches that non-Jews living in Israel will be required to observe the Noahide laws as a condition of residency. Therefore it is important for Jews to have halachic discussions on Noahide Laws in their community.

This proposal intends to provide a place for questions and answers about observing the Noahide laws solely as it pertains to Noahides.

There are also Noahide questions on Christianity.SE, Philosophy.SE, Islam.SE, Hermeneutics.SE, even SciFi.SE.

Noahide questions in all these communities are appropriate for them. They discuss Noahide questions as it pertains to them, just like Mi Yodeya.

Maybe this community needs to modify it's purpose for clarity without the phrase, '... non-Jewish followers of Jewish monotheism...'

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    Maybe I'm just not understanding ... but how can you be "non-Jewish" while simultaneously following "Jewish monotheism"? That would be like saying, "I'm not Hindu, but I follow all its rules and teachings" - it seems to be a logical impossibility.
    – warren
    Dec 13, 2023 at 23:20
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    @warren: This is a common point of confusion. To (over)simplify, "Jewish" is more of an ethnic or national identity than a statement of belief. It's possible for a Jew to be an atheist. And inversely, it's possible for a person to believe in the God of the Torah without being part of the Jewish nation. Dec 14, 2023 at 0:28
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    @dan04 - I recognize "Jewish" can mean "ethnic or national identity". But it also means "follows Judaism".
    – warren
    Dec 14, 2023 at 12:54
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    @warren: Christians follow the same monotheism found in Judaism and yet are not Jewish. Until Christianity arrived, Jews were the primary source of monotheistic teaching. Today you can find other forms of monotheism, so it's an attempt to differentiate Noahism from others.
    – Paul
    Dec 15, 2023 at 3:03
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    Who downvoted this answer? Dec 16, 2023 at 5:00
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    I think it's clear that the proposal for a Noahide community has a place in Stack Exchange. I want to see this effort succeed, but it needs a lot more participation if it's going to make it. area51.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/20966/…
    – Paul
    Dec 16, 2023 at 14:44
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    @PaulWalker: Other than Judaism.SE, what would be good sites for promoting this proposal? Dec 16, 2023 at 18:28
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    @DanielBishop: I didn't know we could promote the proposal on another site. Mi Yodeya' would be the most supportive at this stage. The others, maybe not so much just yet.
    – Paul
    Dec 17, 2023 at 7:50
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    @PaulWalker - Christians distinctly do not "follow Judaism": they follow the same God, but not the same religion
    – warren
    Dec 17, 2023 at 14:09
  • @warren - I agree. Christians do not "follow Judaism." You quoted that but you didn't quote from here. Christians adopted their "Old Testament" from the Jews. You'll find it chocked full of "Jewish monotheism."
    – Paul
    Dec 17, 2023 at 16:37
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    This isn't a justification for splitting the site, it's proselytising. Nonsense like "[h]owever, every other country on Earth will keep the Noahide Laws, and will be responsible to setup their own courts to govern them." is a personal belief, and shows the site is not intended as a means for interested people to get information, so much as a platform for preaching.
    – Nij
    Dec 20, 2023 at 7:53
  • @Nij: This is a proposal for a Noahide community site. You are welcome to disagree, but it is disingenuous to expect a Noahide to use a worldview other than it's own to explain why Noahides would need their own site. I simply explained why Jews would have Noahide questions that pertain to Jews and Noahides would have questions that need to be discussed amongst themselves.
    – Paul
    Dec 20, 2023 at 19:50
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    "We need a separate site because eventually everybody on earth will follow our rules becasue this really is the real true religion" is not a reasonable, relevant or rational reason. The remainder of the answer is from the same cloth, exceptionalist arrogance.
    – Nij
    Dec 20, 2023 at 21:05
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    @warren : I made edits to better clarify what I attempted to communicate in my answer. I realize you did not ask for a theological discussion, and being a new participant on SE and passionate about my beliefs made me a little 'preachy.' Hope it helps.
    – Paul
    Dec 21, 2023 at 3:49
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    I undeleted this question because I thought it answered the question. I deleted it because several people were downvoting it and some of the comments were unkind. So it is back. Downvote at will.
    – Paul
    Jan 25 at 3:57

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