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Proposal: Matter Modeling

Meilani posted 11 times during Beta but is not being listed as having "Fulfilled Commitment". She was active during the commitment phase, having even answered a question in A51 Discussion Zone on 27 April, 1 day before Private Beta went live.

Oddly, Felipe is listed as having fulfilled commitment with only 9 posts (none deleted), and likewise Greg despite having only 7 posts (none deleted).

Why would this be?

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I don't see that this user was ever committed to the proposal. It's harder to determine that when the proposal no longer shows up in the Current Commitments section, but a couple things indicate there was never an initial commitment:

  1. Instead of browsing through the entire list of users, you can total of the user's reputation across all sites and sort the committers by user reputation. Then just find the place in the list where that user should appear based on their reputation and look from there for a couple pages. This user doesn't appear anywhere.
  2. Just to be sure, I looked at the history of the user (mod tool). Specifically, we record an event "User is emailed 'Commitment email'" when the user followed a proposal that moves to commitment, as well as follow-up "Beta email" and "Public beta email" notifications (and some nag emails). None of those emails are recorded for the user, suggesting they were never committed to the proposal. At least one of those would have fired off at some point if they were.

While they were active and did post an answer on Area 51 Discussions around the time you mention, they never committed to the proposal itself.


To the second part of your question: users who are active during the private beta do not need to make 10 points to fulfill their commitment. I looked this up, and it's actually a lot simpler than one could imagine.

The code checks that you get 10 points to fulfill your commitment. Each question and answer gives you 1 point. Receiving the Beta badge gives you an extra 3 points. So really, users who join in the private beta need only make 7 posts to fulfill their commitment so long as they meet the other criteria for that badge, while users who join in the public beta need to make the full 10 posts.

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  • Thank you so much for the thorough analysis! I had no idea that getting the Beta badge counts as having more points so that only 7 posts are needed to fulfill commitment!! I searched this site for "fulfill commitment" and went through Q/A going back to several years ago and found nothing about that. Towards the end of the 180 day mark, I encouraged some people who were likely to be able to reach 10 posts to see if they could write enough posts to fulfill commitment, but if I'd known that the Beta badge counts for 3, I would have encouraged some other people to try to fulfill commitment too. – Nike Dattani Oct 28 at 18:50
  • So that explains why Felipe and Greg are listed as having "fulfilled commitment" despite not posting 10 times. As for Meilani, she insists that she committed, and I do see that she joined Area51 during the commitment phase and before the Private Beta went live. I see that she got the "teacher" badge: area51.meta.stackexchange.com/help/badges/1/… on 27 April, for answering a Matter Modeling A51 question before the Private Beta went live. Maybe it was this bug: area51.meta.stackexchange.com/q/31109/190792, or one of the other A51 bugs described in it. – Nike Dattani Oct 28 at 18:58
  • @NikeDattani I had no idea either. I was trying to find references to it as well and the best I could find was a couple Meta posts that simply referenced "different requirements" for private beta participants. SO I had to actually look in the code to see what the criteria were. – animuson Oct 28 at 19:12

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