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I have a general idea for a new stack community but the idea is not yet well formed or defined enough to make a proposal. Where should this idea be discussed, Area51, MetaSE, or some other place? Discussion about how to bound the subject for best impact and distinguish it from the nearest existing communities, and which category does it best fit?

For a more concrete example: there is a "Life/Arts" category site for "Gardening & Landscaping" and a "Science" category site for "Biology". This leaves a very large space between "how to construct a raised bed" and "determining the effect of a specific enzymatic pathway for hormone synthesis in meristematic tissues".

A topic gap where you might find agriculture, horticulture, soil science(mechanical and chemical), and applied botany like plant breeding, (amateur and professional), which seem like they would dilute the pure science aspect of Biology site and while being well outside the scope of garden and landscape maintenance.

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    There is no SE site for this discussion. Trying to build a site when you don't already have a significant community/group of people willing to join the site doesn't work, and won't be allowed through. The more precise idea for a proposal should come from that community's needs for a Q&A site on their shared topic of interest/study/work; abstract discussion of what might make a good proposal is at best unhelpful to creating a proposal. – Nij Apr 18 at 21:15
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    How do you build a community if you don't have a place to gather? Are all SE communities first formed offline or on some other forum? – Max Power Apr 18 at 21:18
  • Where is this hypothetical community gathering already? You don't need a million users on day one, but you need a group to turn up. Where is that group coming from? – Nij Apr 18 at 22:37
  • Why would a new SE site be needed if the community already has a gathering place? – Max Power Apr 18 at 22:39
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    Because SE sites aren't "gathering places". If someone wants a social network, Facebook already exists, hell MySpace is still running somehow. SE sites are about questions and answers. Q&A. If that's not what a community wants, cool, but SE isn't the place for them. If it is what they're after, and presumably their existing platform doesn't provide that service well enough, cool, SE would be a good place to consider. – Nij Apr 18 at 22:41
  • You are here and I am here specifically to discuss a topic via questions and answers, this is by definition a gathering place. SE is a place for random internet folks to ask questions about some topic and get answers from other random internet folks, precisely because they don't have a another gathering place and don't need the social bits of gathering. – Max Power Apr 18 at 22:58
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    Okay, if that's the sense of "gathering place" you want to use, sure, ignore the first sentence of that last comment. The remainder still holds. Social network? No. Better Q&A location? Yes. Who wants to use it? That's what a proposal creator needs to show. – Nij Apr 18 at 23:05
  • And how does one show this until it exists? Maybe many folks would be interested in one variant but not a sightly different variant, without a place for forming the proposal this can't be sorted properly. – Max Power Apr 18 at 23:16
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    If you don't have a group that wants a broad subject area, you wouldn't have a successful proposal anyway. If you can't even suggest a community that will be using the site, the proposal won't be accepted. And sorting out the politics of what the proposal should be about, needs to be done before making the proposal. As I've said already, if you don't even need a Q&A site, let alone know what you need it for, why come to SE? – Nij Apr 19 at 0:39

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