Proposal: Solar Energy Science and Economy

I think that any of the questions here, will be completely at home, and welcome, on the Sustainability & Renewable Energy Stack at https://sustainability.stackexchange.com/

Are there any questions that wouldn't be? I ask because it seems to me that any of the questions listed already in Solar Energy Science and Economy could be welcome on sustainabilty.se, and I say that as a moderator there. That's as long as they are good questions by Stack Exchange standards. The titles are suitable and totally on-topic. And we certainly do welcome evidence based, apolitical science and economics Q&A. Indeed, we've been very firm on rejecting things that are counter to existing evidence, or purely political.

Please do come on over to https://sustainability.stackexchange.com/

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    Compare the description of the two sites and you'll find there is no overlap in the focii of the sites. One could put all the Arduino questions on the EE site too, but that's not the criteria. This site is about collaboration in developing world energy infrastructure, not the best way to recycle something or how to select a product for my apartment that saves electricity. – FauChristian Oct 18 at 10:55
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    @FauChristian The description of sustainability.se is a historic item. The real description of the site consists of its open and answered questions. And there you'll see that this proposal is wholly a subset of the existing sustainability.se – EnergyNumbers Oct 18 at 14:33
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    Your position is weak and bordering on the surreal. There is nothing historic about the LIFE category or the Sustainable Living name. That's the name the beta chose. Live with it. That you allowed off topic posts is not a license to poach on the basis of some remote connection between Sustainable Living and HARD SCIENCE. – FauChristian Oct 18 at 15:02
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    No, that's not how site launches work. A site's scope is defined by the questions that are accepted as on-topic. That's how the beta site process works. The closed beta sets the initial scope, building on what was laid out in the proposal, and then the open beta refines it. The proposal stage is the start point, not the end point. Anyone who felt that sustainability.SE was too broad, had their opportunity during the early weeks of the beta, to narrow it down. Instead, we chose to make it broad, and to cultivate questions on science and economics. – EnergyNumbers Oct 18 at 15:06
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    Interesting how both of the accounts I have reported for acting as puppets of DouglasDaseeco on ai.stackexchange.com (FauChristian and FelicityC) are also jumping in to support his proposal here... – Dennis Soemers Oct 18 at 15:09
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    @DennisSoemers puppets don't survive long at SE, and it is not like the drama matters for this proposal in any case. We did what we could to try and help them understand the process and options. The next events are foreseeable, just a matter of time. – James Jenkins Oct 18 at 16:29
  • @FauChristian, I suppose we should forgive those who grew up in a part of the world historically influenced by supremacism when they assume that if a woman excels in science and rational thinking that men must undoubtedly be pulling her strings. – FelicityC Oct 20 at 3:02
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I know there has been a lot of resistance by some users to the idea about posting on Sustainable Living I am not here to argue those points.

EnergyNumbers has explained why you COULD ask and answer these question at Sustainability.SE there has been a lot of oposition to doing that.

The real question for everyone supporting this proposal is do you want to participate in a StackExcahnge site that will host the questions and answers that are important to you? OR Do you only want to particpate in a StackExcahnge site that launches from this proposal?

If any SE site is better than none; go to Sustainable Living and start posting. In few years when there is a larger following you could create a breakaway site. It is rare but it does happen.

If you only have interest in special 'Solar Energy Science and Economy' SE site; I am sorry, but it just is not going to happen they way you would like. The proposal is over half way (2 of 4 Months) through the commitment window, with 26 follower. Look at the existing proposals closure is inevitable. Seriesly with the current promotion model, if you don't have 75 follower who also have 200+ rep on other SE site at the 2 month mark, there is ZERO chance it will launch. Even then it is questionable.

Everyone gets to make your own choices. You can continue to whip the dead horse or you can go do something constructive.

Solar energy is a very important area for humanity in the near future. StackExchange is an excellent vehicle for reaching millions of people with what you have to share on topic. There are some passionate people posting here, if you really want to share your passion beyond this tiny soon to be deleted space, you know what to do.

It seems this question is challenging the validity of the Science site

Solar Energy Science and Economics

to exist on the basis that SESAE (pronounced Sessā) is duplicating in some way the intent of another site in beta or interfering with its vision.

Let's consider that position realistically. First lets look at the definitions of the Area 51 Categories and the sites themselves, beginning with Solar Energy Science and Economics.

The Science category includes proposals in subjects like the applied, natural, cognitive, formal, and social sciences.

Proposed Q&A site for researchers, engineers, scientists, students, professors, entrepreneurs, investors, professionals, and enthusiasts interested in collaborating to bring about the global transition to a robust and economically sustainable solar energy infrastructure.

As we can see, Solar Energy Science and Economics has a clear vision involving how to collaborate from across many scientific disciplines and how to apply economic principles to do a very specific thing: Transition the world energy infrastructure to move toward solar technology.

Now let's consider the other site being promoted and from which the challenge seems to be coming. It is in the Life category and has a very different kind of description.

The Life category includes proposals in subjects like home, family, education, careers, and self-improvement.

For folks dedicated to a lifestyle that can be maintained indefinitely without depleting available resources

Notice that the words SOLAR, SCIENCE, ENERGY, and ECONOMICS do not appear in the Life category or the other site's description and nothing particularly personal appear in Solar Energy Science and Economics, it being a Science site.

We can conclude that

Solar Energy Science and Economics

is NOT duplicating in some way the intent of another site in beta or interfering with its vision.

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    Many sites do not fit neatly into just one category, and it's not possible for a site to be in several within the SE software, even though its scope does cover several. That is merely a limitation of the Area51 software, it is not a limitation to site scope. As you can see currently, the existing Sustainability.SE welcomes questions on science and economic aspects of renewable energy – EnergyNumbers Oct 18 at 14:23
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    You write: "No one has claim to special treatment because they started a little sooner", but that's exactly how this works. Existing SE sites get priority over Area51 proposals. That's entirely the point. Sustainability.SE already exists, already hosts questions on solar science and economics, they're entirely on-topic there. – EnergyNumbers Oct 18 at 14:45
  • And this isn't a new thing. We've accepted that sort of question since we started the beta site. – EnergyNumbers Oct 18 at 14:54
  • It will take a bit of time to get used to the Area51 process, and the interplay between proposals and existing sits. It might seem rather arcane. And yet Area51 has launched dozens of sites successfully! If you want to support this site, you might want to consider following it, just as you're following the marketing proposal. And if you want to develop a site that can be an awesome Q&A on solar science and economics, just come along and ask and answer those questions on sustainability.se – EnergyNumbers Oct 18 at 15:22

Why would anyone want to put science and global economy questions on a site about lifestyle? It's preposterous to suggest there's any significant overlap. Such would be like saying the Genealogy & Family History SE stack overlaps with Bioinformatics.

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    Many sites do not fit neatly into just one category, and it's not possible for a site to be in several within the SE software, even though its scope does cover several. That is merely a limitation of the Area51 software, it is not a limitation to site scope. As you can see currently, the existing Sustainability.SE welcomes questions on science and economic aspects of renewable energy – EnergyNumbers Oct 18 at 14:23

Yes, any of those questions will be welcome on sustainability.se.

As James Jenkins notes, this answer from the Director of Community Development for the Stack Exchange Network is highly relevant here.

Let me go through the ones that have been closed. Note that we've got 110 questions on solar power, of which 103 are open, and 7 are closed.

Douglas has identified some closed ones:

  • How to setup the below solar configurations? Closed because there's not enough information in the question to answer it.

  • Led powered solar panels? Closed as duplicate. i.e. it's on-topic, and has already been answered elsewhere on the site. (at: Solar energy without the sun: Super LED light on top of solar panels)

  • What software should I use to design and simulate a solar-assisted cooling system? Closed as a shopping question. In general, for recommendations, pick a site that has "recommendations" in the site title, as they are designed for shopping questions. In this case, Software Recommendations

  • What is the economic sustainability of solar power? Closed as duplicate, i.e. it's on-topic, and has already been elsewhere on the site (at: Which solar power technology has the highest energy return on investment (EROI aka EROEI))

  • Are renewables sustainable? Closed because there's not enough information in the question to answer it.

  • Does a PV panel take more energy to build than it generates in its lifetime? Closed as duplicate, i.e. it's on-topic, and has already been elsewhere on the site (at: Which solar power technology has the highest energy return on investment (EROI aka EROEI))

  • How much capacity inverters and batteries should i need to set up a 800 watts solar panel? Closed because there's not enough information in the question to answer it.

If you feel that the existing site title could be improved to better represent its scope, then I have more good news for you: I completely agree with you. Come add your support to the proposal to change the site name, and add your suggestions

We will also welcome suggestions on the sustainability meta to update the site description to better reflect that we are a site that welcomes questions on engineering, economics, science, and lifestyle, of renewable energy and sustainability. After all, that's what our set of open and answered questions proves.

Per the Director of Community Development for the Stack Exchange Network, "Promotion should be done predominantly outside of the Stack Exchange Network," not in other stacks.

Even if that were not the case, what the question refers to as sustainability refers to a stack called Sustainable Living. This proposal is markedly distinct from that stack. Sustainable living is useful for the general public and has a clear left-sided political leaning in the Q&A. None of the questions there discuss the sustainability of the economy.

In contract, the stack proposal Solar Energy Science and Economy welcomes evidence based, apolitical science and economics Q&A.

The secondary question is, "Are there any questions that wouldn't be?" The answer is clearly, "Yes, and there is proof." These solar related questions have been closed on Sustainable Living even though of interest to some of its members.

Many of the hard questions listed already in Solar Energy Science and Economy would likely be dismissed, down voted, or closed in Sustainable Living.

  • I've got some great news: as a moderator there, I can assure you that any of the hard questions listed already in Solar Energy Science and Economy will be welcome on sustainabilty.se . That's as long as they are good questions by Stack Exchange standards. The titles are suitable and totally on-topic. – EnergyNumbers Oct 18 at 9:27
  • But the questions have to be good questions too: on-topic is necessary, but not sufficient, on any stack. Duplicates, and questions that are too broad are closed on all stacks. Shopping questions are closed on all non-recommendation Stacks. That covers your examples. We've got over 100 solar questions, you've cherry-picked a handful of bad ones. And of course bad questions get closed. That's how Stack Exchange avoids the failures of quota, yahoo Q&A, forums, etc. – EnergyNumbers Oct 18 at 9:28
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    Also, you've mis-represented what the Director of Community Development for the Stack Exchange Network wrote; that doesn't seem very polite. Robert wrote that you should not advertise Area 51 proposals on the main sites or meta support. – EnergyNumbers Oct 18 at 9:36
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    See related Apparently this is a duplicate – James Jenkins Oct 18 at 10:22

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